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We presently are owners at Plas Talgarth week 13, appartment sleeps 4 with 2 bathrooms 1 bedroom. We bought it 6 years ago. The maintenance fee was around £160 which gave a good saving when compared to renting the same appartment. We were very naive at the time!!!
The resort needed a refurbishment and there were accountancy issues so we were informed that there was a refurbishment fee added onto the maintenance fee. Simply put this meant that as an owner we were paying £120-£180 more over the 5 year period for each year than if we rented.
As you can appreciate we are very vexed!!!
We have had it on fast track sale at Dalfaber for 2 years but as you can guess no sale. We have even said we will give it back to them at no charge. Recently I was informed that they had to make money on it so they would put in on their web site and take a nominal 35% of the sale fee they chose.
I am unsure where I stand in law on this as surely:
1. Charging more for an owner than a renter is not ethically right.
2. If I want to state a price to sell even if it is free why cannot I do this??
Any help appreciated. All we know we are around £3,300 out of pocket. We will never touch time share again - anon |
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Posted - 04/04/2004 : 19:43:59
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- even the weeks on the costa del Sol are hard to get rid of -
Weeks on the Costa Del Sol will be the hardest to get rid of. Although a lot of people want to go on holiday in Spain there are a huge number of timeshare units available. Value depends on supply and demand. We also own at Plas Talgarth in Wales and whilst we are as unhappy as everybody else with the high maintenance fees, we have successfully exchanged a total of 14 weeks and rented the unit out one year. Plas Talgarth has recently regained Gold Crown status so will hopefully be in even higher demand in future.
To sell it you can always try ebay. A unit in Plas Talgarth sold recently on Ebay, I know as I was one of the unsuccessful bidders. |
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Posted - 09/07/2004 : 05:56:53
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I only wish Macdonald ownwers realised the power that they really hold over the developer. If they could only gather en-masse, use all their voting Rights together, this would soon bring the developer,managment company,rental company,re-sale company to their knees.
At such a crucial stage of "Aviemore The Resort" the last thing Macdonalds need is full scale revolt of the existing member base.
With the continuing failure of Options this members base and rental programme is the only guarnteed income they have. - Macdonald Owners
Has everyone forgotten that in perpetuity means lifetime! On one hand this works very well for continuing to bring in annual maintenance but on the other hand. If someone is not happy with the way in which their owned property is being managed and how much they are overcharged for this service. Then it is high time for a complete revolt!
p.s. If you care enough. post your comments and get the ball rolling.
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Macdonalds Hotels indicated in a letter to Loch Rannoch Highland Club Timeshare owners that due to the "loss of income from the management contract" they would be considering upgrading the Loch Rannoch Hotel to a four star property. They further indicate that one of the requirements of a four star property is that the pool is for "Hotel Residents Only"
This is a veiled threat to deny us access to the pool permanently.
Meanwhile at Dalfaber in Aviemore they are upgrading their Hotel to four star and receiving shedloads of Public Money (£600,00 from the European Regional Development Fund" and £2 million for Moray Badenoch and Strathspey Enterprise plus various other sources to equal £6.5 million)) partially "in order to allow Highland Council "subsidised" swimming for the public".
given Dalfabers ongoing problems with people from the local Estate I don't foresee Macdonalds opening it's arms and embracing the locals into it's new four star property...but perhaps I'm a cynic!!!
BUT what I can say with certainty is that it appears that MacDonalds can't quite keep their story straight!.... Or are they going to build this nice new pool and then let the council and MBSE know AFTER the money is spent, that the public actually won't be allowed in the pool as it would jeopardise their star rating?
Even further when Jim Wallace first minister made a trip to view the refurbishment plans in Aviemore he noted that this was a welcome turn of events after years of neglect.
AND WHO was neglecting the property? The managers... Macdonald Higland resorts? Talk about the fox watching the chickens!!!
AND with Macdonalds trying to pressure all the timeshare owners into joining Options there is no doubt further scandal ahead at Dalfaber and any other resort they have any interest in.
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At any time in the future, Macdonalds can decide to'revalue' the points and demand more money from you, and guess what? you don't pay to upgrade, well, you ain't got enough points to take a holiday son,so get your wallet out and smile while they swipe your gold card. They have got you by the b*lls ! End of story !!
We were lucky as we have only ever bought resale weeks from them and never paid more than £1000 for a week, so for us, using the exchange it works well enough, but I feel really sorry for folks who have paid £8000 + for weeks and then been conned into paying more for the useless point system. However, that is their problem, not mine.
The OPTIONS scheme is failing so badly that they have now re-introduced the selling of resale weeks, ( which they swore they would never do), and one assumes that they have had to do this to keep Donny Mac happy so he sees revenue still comming in and therefore distracts some of the heat from the fact that OPTIONS is a dead duck !
The resorts are FULL of travel operator clients and the like, and we can say goodbye to the 'Private Club' they told us about when we bought. I have no problem with them trying to make money and fill the resorts, but, and this is a big but, all that extra rental revenue goes to Donny Mac, NONE of it goes to keep our yearly maintenence fees at a realistic level. Donny Mac gets richer, the owners get more screwed !
The sooner our owners committees get their fingers out of their a**ses and stand up to Macdonalds, the better !
We have seen from Loch Rannock that it can be done and they have brought the maintenence DOWN, AND improved the facilities. It is high time that if our various owners commitees cannot do the job in the interests of the owners, that we vote them out and get folks in that CAN look after our interests. We should not be regarded as a profit centre for Macdonalds !!!!! |
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Posted - 17/07/2004 : 14:42:42
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| Another situation regarding the OPTIONS twist is that a lodge can only be sold once for a particular week but options just sell the opportunity to ask for a particular week, you might not get it because you were TOO LATE with your application but we do have spaces at some other resort that you had not the slightest intention of going to. that is what you could be told, and having already paid your yearly fee you will want to get some benefit or lose the value.STICK to what you have, do internal swaps, soon the Rannoch people will have a swap shop at a rate that will afford two holidays.The Rannoch boys. god bless them .have cut the strangulation rope and are about to tie Macnot up keep working. |
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What is this nonsense regarding Macdonald's "Loch Rannoch Lochside Resort". There is no such resort! Macdonalds has a few weeks that they don't pay any management weeks for and therefore have no access according to our management company.
Yes... there are indeed a few "lochside" studios within the timeshare resort that Macdonadls has nothing to do with...Sooooo What are they trying to pull NOW? Do they have some covert plan to take over the timeshares and change the name? Or are they really trying to sell property they don't own?
check out http://www.optionsbymacdonald.com. I just don't understand!?!
Check out the pop up that states you can buy re-sale fixed weeks at ALL "MacDonald Resorts" and includes Loch Rannoch "Lochside" in the list with the telephone of the Loch Rannoch Hotel. Apparently, they have actually set up a fixed week timeshare sales office at the Hotel with a man named Simon Reid in charge. How can they get away with this?
I thought it was against the law to sell things you don't own...but then I also thought it would be against the law for Macdonalds to lock us out of a pool/gym and other facilities that we were sold and had been charged to renovate.
Perhaps Scottish Law does allow these things.
For further evidence of misrepresentation check out the "Loch Rannoch Lochside" links on the site.
click resorts>scotland>loch rannoch lochside> accomodation
here you will find a complete description of OUR timeshares and a wee blurb at the bottom about additional hotel accomodation making ABUNDANTLY clear that they are indeed "pretending" (misrepresenting???) that they have control of our timeshares.
the real kicker is this link!!! click resorts>scotland>loch rannoch lochside>health/leisure WOW!!! they list the indoor pool, marina, childrens club tec... etc.. which they have denied access to the timeshare owners for over two years. So glad they finally ADMIT that they are part of the timeshare facilities. I will carry a print out of this page during my next visit to the resort and expect full use of these facilities!
one last note ... click resorts>scotland>loch rannoch lochside>facilities and yet again you see a description of our lodges but with an even further aside about how the conservatories were added on... just in case Macdonalds attempts to say that the properties they are offering for re-sale /use via the options scheme are "new build"
APALLING!!!
To top off the whole lot...once MacDonalds sell fixed weeks at their resorts they then send out the "MacDonalds Option" scheme brochure. If someone doesn't read the fine print they will only later realise they have just given away the right to use the fixed week they just bought as well as the right to exchange it with Interval or RCI AND their voting rights for 30 years so they will have joined the ranks of people complaining about Holiday Clubs..still owe a mangement fee on the week they can't use AND have points that will not get them a week at a resort unless they top up with more points costing MORE MONEY.AAAAARGH!!!
Has Barratry been changed formally to MacDonaldry yet? and where do we vote for Timeshare sh*t of the year? - Fed Up Loch Rannoch owner |
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We too had a loch rannoch december week. I said HAD. we put it on their fast track resale list for approx 2 yrs, but it didnt sell.
Then most of the trouble started with Mcdonalds withdrawing all leisure facilities. Reputable resale companies would not sell a low grade wk withall the associated problems and then RCI withdrew it from their exchange system. Finally I advertised it locally as a lodge without facilities for FREE. We had some interest and transfered ownership last yr. We only paid 300 sterling pounds for the wk initially and wanted to use it for exchanges. Unfortunately it got to the point where we couldnt exchange with RCI (dial an exchange still accepted) and we were paying huge maintenance for something we could no longer use. The new management company drew up the agreement for change of ownership and charged the 30 pounds fee, i note that 2 of the correspondances state their weeks were sold for one pound. WHY NOT FREE?, have we inadvertently done something silly? cant bear the thought we are possibly still the legal owners! |
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Latest Update regarding Loch Rannoch Resort -From The Herald October 08 2004-byline Simon Bain- Hotel group drops claim for management fees ---
Macdonald Hotels has abandoned a damages claim for £800,000 against three individuals elected to the committee of the Loch Rannoch timeshare resort. It has also decided not to contest resolutions at tomorrow's annual meeting of resort owners, following a series of rebuffs at previous meetings.
The hotel group has been staging a rearguard action to win back the contract to manage the resort, ever since owners last year voted overwhelmingly for a new committee mandated to appoint a management company set up by owners.
The new company reported recently that it had made a small surplus in its first year despite cutting fees by 16% and improving services, with a further reduction of 5% planned for the current year. That was in spite of hefty legal bills for fighting Macdonald in court.
As The Herald has reported, as well as suing the committee members, Macdonald's tactics have included refusing to hand over the list of resort owners, taking out an injunction to prevent the resort manager transferring her employment, and banning owners from the hotel, swimming pool and facilities on the site. The hotel ban was lifted in June.
Macdonald is still pursuing a legal claim to have the award of the new contract set aside.
However, a diet of debate scheduled for the Court of Session yesterday and today was cancelled when Macdonald dropped its £800,000 damages claim against the committee, after being informed that the committee would no longer pursue its claim against Macdonald for the handover of the list of resort owners, as the committee now has the information it requires.
The £800,000 claim was for management fees uncollected from owners when Macdonald was running the resort.
In another sign of the cooling temperature, for the first time the hotel group's representatives will not be attending the annual meeting, held in Stirling tomorrow.
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We have now received a telephone message from the debt collection agency asking us to call them. What to do next is the question. Any polite suggestions gratefully received.
Contact the agency immediately. Don't bury your head in the sand as this will not go away. Tell them the situation and that you are asking Macdonalds to take the unit back. That will hopefully give you a bit of breathing space at least. You may now find that even if Macdonalds are prepared to take the unit back you will have to bear the costs of the debt collection agency.
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Further to my previous post, I have set up a forum for Macdonald owners who are having problems at http://www.macd.ecclesweb.co.uk
This has not been set up in competition with Timeshare Talk, but is there just to focus on the on the problems that Macdonald timeshare owners are having. I am sure there are a lot of you out there.
If you have any suggestion for the forum, please feel free to post them.
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Don't worry we won't see you as competition. We support owners groups all the way. Please let your members know about Timesharetalk though if you can and we will return likewise. |
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We have owned since 1987 at Plas Talgarth, Lapwing 1, sleeps 6, 2 Bedrooms, 3 bath rooms. The sales people just tell more and more lies and never achieve any form of sale, we have tried to sell for about 6 years now with not even a nibble. Please let me know how to get rid of this damn money pit. I'll never touch any form of time share again.
I have offered it back to them for nothing, with held managment fees but no joy at all!
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Can you expand on what you mean by more and more lies? Who set the sale price - you or the sales team at the resort? Is the requested price realistic?
I had been looking on Ebay for a second unit at Plas Talgarth and I saw nothing going for more than £1500 and most was sold at under £1000. (I'm not currently in the market for a purchase by the way)
Refusing to pay the management fees is likely to end up with you losing the unit AND ending up in court for non payment or having the bailiffs knocking on your door.
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I like many own a week at Elmers court, I have for 3 years made enquiries about joining the owners group but have not exactly been welcomed with open arms. I do not know any other individual owner at the resort so cannot be seconded, when I did write an election letter for the coming election I talked about the need to manage charges and reduce the cost of ownership. I was told that I should not make statements like that and should just talk about myself....
The resort now takes over £25,000 a year for each and every room it manages and suggests it finds it difficult to manage on that budget.. I would suggest that I can manage and update and repair a 4 bedroom house for much, much less that that a year let alone a 1 bed apt!
If there are other owners at Elmers court who are seing the value of their investment plummet each year and be tied in to shocking maintenance charges that increase massivly above inflation each year then message me and we can see what we can do. |
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| Karoline, or patsy as she calls herself when macdonald owners ring dona lola, spain from england, doesnt learn does she?. maybe by taking the macdonald buy sell scam further will stop her pranks. Macdonald have been pulling the bus/sell scam for years and still doing so |
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Your latest post makes little sense. Please clarify the point you are trying to make. |
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| Karoline, or patsy. Patsy is the name used by karoline who works in the resale office at Dona Lola, Spain. She is very good with emails, both distributing emails relating to other people to 3rd parties and also encouraging emails to be sent by 3rd parties to email accounts. Basically, she is a trouble causer. I stand by my comments re Macdonald using the buy sell scam on clients. If they wish, pursue me in the courts. They know who I am |
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Does Macdonald own your timeshare or are they just the management agents running the resort on the behalf of the owners? I own at Loch Rannoch where the accounts under Macdonald showed in the balance sheet amounts owed as management fees going back into the early 1990s. Clearly these amounts should have been written off under accounting rules but were not. Is this the same at your resorts because if it is then this is a serious breech of accounting rules? Equally if the accounts you are given have been audited by an accounting company such as KPMG then in my opinion they should have qualified the accounts if such debts going back years appear on the balance and have not been written off because of the risk to current and future owners.
Under the constitution at Loch Rannoch, Macdonald should have attempted to reduce the debt caused by non payment by renting or selling the units in default but no information was ever provided of the amounts gained from such sales or rentals nor of how much Macdonald kept as administration fees out of the sums they have received from rentals or sales. In my opinion, a failure to disclose this information in the accounts is a breech of the fiduciary duty Macdonald have with the timeshare owners. This information should be disclosed in the accounts to show how Macdonald are managing non payment of management fees. Does the constitution at your resort have similar requirements regarding the sale or rentals of timeshares in arrears? If it does then you need to ask Macdonald how much they have earned to reduce non payments and how much they have kept.
You need to find out the arrangements at your timeshare and check what Macdonald have been doing. Macdonald do not have a loyalty to the owners but they do have a responsibility to manage the resort properly. If they fail to do so you will have to remove them just like at Loch Rannoch.
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| How many Macdonald owners have contacted karoline/patsy, Dona Lola regarding the sale of their timeshare, then 3/4 weeks later get calls from the scam companies....I am collecting evidence |
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| re posting from Uncle Zen in active topics, Macdonald resale staff dont have time to sell weeks because they are too busy arranging obnoxious emails to my email account. Jackson the coward thinks he has control of his staff. If only he knew. |
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I read this site daily and wonder why when "owners" either about to be/or are scammed by various companies, people such as MAVO, defend companies like Macdonald Hotel and Resorts, who for the last 5 years or so, constantly use the BUY/SELL scam on their existing owners.
MAVO, please see your previous responses to Macdonald entries made by myself and others,my personal email address is tenseven42@yahoo.co.uk Do not trust the lying, cheating, coward Simon Jackson, MD Macdonalds Hoels ect, he will never pursue me in court, PROVE ME WRONG SIMON, because I have too much evidence on the little P---k and his co workers, some of whom have served time in prison, some of whom are disqualified (bankrupt, yet still give Financial advice daily to clients as a Manager)and some who are unfit to hold any other position, other than there is nowhere else to go. Jules are many things, but Macdonald extract the urine to all their owners. |
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Re other topic posted on this website, I think this posting could be relevent to owners at Dona Lola ect.
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I agree with sensor at 29/01/201 20:49:17.
There was aslo a reply printed from eminent Tax and Legal advisors, in a free local paper on the Costa Del Sol, Sur in English (29/01/2010), which may also help some people. If you check with your Managment Company, to see whether the following has happened. If not, they are breaking the law.
Quote "The new law governing timeshare type schemes (now formally known as "shared ownership rights") came into force in 1998 and stated that the internal regulations of all previously existing timeshare schemes should be adopted in accordance with the new legislation. Of particular relevance to this case is the fact that the new law states that the duration of agreements in respect of shared ownership rights is between three and fifty years.
Therefore it may be helpful to approach the actual timeshare maintenance company itself to find out whether they have adapted their internal regulations in accordance with the new legislation. Unquote.
Basically, how I read it is, if the management company have failed to comply with the new legislation (broken a law), in changing the duration of ownership and deeds with existing owners, would they have they have redress in court for non paymentof maintenance?.
Any opinions welcomed.
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Could be worth arguing. Impossible to say definitely without looking at each individual agreement.
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This could well be worth pursuing. I know many contributors to this site are "looking for the loophole", well I will put it in another context.
The original purchasers bought their ownership from companies and signed agreements at the time. These agreements contained the clauses re the purchasers paying the annual maintenance fees.
If these agreements have not been changed between the purchasers and "sellers", then the Companies have failed to comply with the law as at 1998.
Therefore the agreements are null and void, IN LAW, and the purchasrs are therefore not tied to the "old" agreements.
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The email referred to came from a Macdonalds owner
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Since my posting 2 and a half hours ago, I have recieved a private email from one of the contributors to this site who had requested advice some time ago.
They were threatened with court action for non payment of maintenance fees for a "perpetuity" agreement they signed in 1987. They paid the maintenance fees in fear.
I have advised them that if they are threatened again, the Defence Council would only have to bring up the following. The law which came into force in 1998, stating that their previous agreement, in law, can be no longer than 50 years. Therefore their agreement, which IN LAW, has not been renewed, as required, and therefore, they have no legal binding agreement with the company concerned.
Therefore, the Judge would have NO LEGAL option in law but to dismiss the case against them. |
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Studying the history of Macdonalds and their resorts, they only took full ownership off Barrett (Homes) Timeshare in April 2001.
The Timeshare Act 42/1998 (15/12/1998) states that any company who wished to register "existing" resorts to conform with the 1998 legislation, must register within a 2 year period from the date of legislation, expiring on 15/12/2000.
It is common knowledge amongst "Barrett" owners, that Barretts did nothing from 1995 due to the Macdonald interests and eventual takeover.
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Having received a private email, I think I should clarify one or two issues.
The "Spanish Law 42/1998 dated 15th December 1998" relates to Timeshares where the "property" concerned, is either in Mainland Spain, Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands.
Even if you live in the United Kingdom, if your ownership is in any of the above locations, then Quote "The Spanish Law on Timeshare is the most far reaching law on timeshare of any European country and makes fundamental changes to the concept of timesharing" Unquote.
In other words, a UK court cannot rule agianst the "Spanish Law 42/1998 dated 15th December 1998", as it does not have the jurisdiction to do so.
In other words, yes there are other Timeshare Acts governing the Industry, however, if any of the "Rules and Regulations" contained in the "Spanish Law 42/1998 dated 15th December 1998" are not adhered to, then the law has been broken.
If within 2 years from 15/12/1998, the Company did not register and adhere to the changes, they have broken the law.
Having investigated further, surprisingly, under the "Spanish Law 42/1998 dated 15th December 1998", The word "OWNERSHIP" CAN NOT be mentioned anywhere in the contract. So if any of your contracts say "holiday ownership" or similar, then the company has not adhered to the "Spanish Law 42/1998 dated 15th December 1998" and therefore the contract is illegal.
No UK court can overule the "Spanish Law 42/1998 dated 15th December 1998", so if you come under any of the above issues, then let the company take you to court.
You would not only be awarded costs, however, if you, prior to any court case, made these points known to the company concerned, then you could then issue legal action against them for "Maliscious Prosecution".
Emails are admissable evidence in the courts within the UK, so just obtain the details of "the person in charge" of the company, email him and take it from there
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Posted - 05/02/2010 : 13:25:08 Show Profile Email Poster Edit Reply Send tenseven42 a Private Message Reply with Quote Delete Reply
I am actually a "happy" timeshare owner, although I appreciate there are many, who for their own reasons, are not.
The information provided in the posts since yesterday, can click on the following links, to confirm what I have stated.
The links take you to a spanish website. By "copy" and pasting into "free google translate" will give you the same in reasonably good english.
There is sufficient information contained within the links to satisfy a number of reasons of how and why a "unhappy" owner can "walk away" from his timeshare.
http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/Privado/l42-1998.t1.html#
http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/Privado/l42-1998.t2.html#
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Posted - 06/02/2010 : 21:40:29
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Using my "faux nom", I look forward to when/IF Simon fights back. Then I will produce what I know some people are asking/begging for.
SIMON, YOU SHOULD HAVE CONTROLLED YOUR STAFF.
Them sending maliscious emails, (38 in one day), sending emails with possible virus's attatched, many anonymous telephone calls, to both my personal mobile and my works number?
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