Started by charlie1, January 15, 2014, 00:10:20
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Quote from: Mavo on January 21, 2014, 16:22:42We walked into a place for a coffee this lunchtime and there were 3 of these folks from Grand Holidays having a lunch. I did not miss the opportunity of course. This is what they said.They are licensed by the authorities and the license is not easy to acquire. They have to go through a process to ensure that they are not scammers. The license then covers the whole of the area -In this instance Adeje. They promoted Grand Holidays who they said were basically a middle man company buying up blocks of apartments in resorts and renting them on to such as Tui, Thomas Cooks etc. They did seem to also fire in prospects to someone called Arrow Leisure who had an office deck under La Nina. I assume they got a referral amount for this and a bigger amount if a sale went through. They did say that the Las Vistas Marketing/Realistix Solutions running from the rooftop of La Pinta had been closed down last year. I did walk into the office of Arrow Leisure and ask them if they were timeshare or holiday club but they seemed to be a little shocked and evasive to be asked direct questions so I suspect that they may be a holiday club as their setup seemed to have "presentation" written all over it.
Quote from: charlie1 on January 22, 2014, 13:16:51Good work It must have been nerves were you dressed in your old devils attire? They usually have on the bottom half of the pack non winners if you dont fit the criteria to sit a timeshare presentation, winners are usually on the top. Shame you missed out on your '90 minute' presentation to pick up your discount vouchers (that you usually got to spend a fortune to get a little back). This could have included a bottle of wine for heavens sake!
Quote from: martyboy02 on January 23, 2014, 12:42:36MavoI am not expecting you or anyone else whilst on holiday to run around the island asking you to research what is required for a licence to to obtained, that would be totally unreasonable on my part.What I was getting at was did THEY say who in particular issued the licence and did they say how they obtained the licence. If they didn't a simple "They didn't go into any great detail" will suffice.You as much as anyone else know that a lot of these people are so full of c""p that thier eyes are turning brown, perhaps they were selling a red herring.The reps from Grand Holidays were breaking the law, why did you not report this?I fully appreciate that you don't wish to disclose the daily going ons in TATOC, but you can still act as a private citizen with regard to law breaking. If you choose to turn a blind eye to it that is your choice. Enough said. RDO and TATOC could have no part in Plan A, B or C in deciding policy as they are too aligned to developers, anyone overseeing Licences and Registration has to be indipendent. They may offer advice, which would be most welcome, but like all advice it does not have to be acted upon.
Quote from: martyboy02 on January 23, 2014, 14:19:59Mavo calm down you are going to burst a blood vessel.All I was wondering was what they had to do to get these licences and who awarded them, if they didn't say that's fine, like I said I am not expecting you or others to waste holiday time finding out.If you have taken the reporting unlawful practices further why not say so? I shall do some research into TATOC with regard to where their major funding comes from and their core mission statement.And finally for the final time I KNOW AND HAVE NEVER STATED THAT THE DEVELOPER WAS PART OF TATOC.Now can we please keep to the thread, I am becoming extremely bored with your assumptions, personal attacks and trolling, needless to say you will continue with your utopian view of the industry savaging those of us who want consumer protection and to debate and ask questions in a reasonable manner.
Quote from: martyboy02 on January 23, 2014, 20:05:03Let the RDO do their study and publish their findings, but let us not forget who they are and how they are funded. No doubt there will be some interesting reccomendations.Like I keep saying what ever is established must have lawful power to fine, remove licences, remove operator licences and issue improvement notices.The tail mustn't be allowed to wag the dog!!
Quote from: martyboy02 on January 23, 2014, 20:56:12In the UK are there not industries that can be compelled to obey their relevant ombudsmen. The same could happen within the EU with the creation of Timeshare Ombudsmen with support and legislation. For too long (Way before I got involved) the lack of willingness of companies to obey the law and looking for loop holes have lead us to where we are now.You may or maynot look at it from the developers perspective but Consumer protection is No1 in my book. If customers can buy with 100% confidence, knowing there is a body to turn if things go wrong, surely that only will improve confidence in the industry, thus increasing sales and securing the industries future.Perhaps this could be discussed at the TATOC RDO seminar during Conference this year.Yes it really is as simple as that.