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History and Archive Treads => Where next would you like to see a resort ? => Topic started by: Jeff on December 01, 2005, 12:54:00

Title: New resort.
Post by: Jeff on December 01, 2005, 12:54:00
I know that Timeshare resorts in Ireland are always in demand, so for my money a resort in the centre of Ireland would be an obvious winner.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on December 01, 2005, 14:16:30
I would like to see something in the Sorrento, Amalfi area of Italy.

Also something more on the Algarve but much further west than Quinta de Lago-- Alvor and westwards would be ideal.
 Best leave some for others. Perhaps Santa Dave H will deliver them for Christmas!
Title: New resort.
Post by: Carolinian on December 01, 2005, 19:55:06
(I noticed this was just under Sunterra.  My answer spoke more generally to where more timeshare was needed, so I deleted it)
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on December 01, 2005, 20:12:13
Hi Carolinian
 What the need is generally could be mirrored by the needs of Sunterra so perhaps you should put your wish list down.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Martin4Jay on February 24, 2006, 16:52:20
Hi Tom,
We would think a resort in far southwest Cornwall, Scottish highlands, Holland would be nice and flat for pushing a wheelchair[:)].
Martin
Title: New resort.
Post by: mo mo on February 24, 2006, 17:13:23
Hi Ya [:)]

I would love to see a resort in Santorini which is a beautiful Greek Island, hope to go there for a few days or even a week beg of June, we had to cancel our 2 weeks at Gran Anfi in Gran Canaria in middle of May which gutted me cause they landed bang in the middle of college exams, so we may go there as a reward if I pass plus it will Nicks B/day so kind of a joint pressie [8D]

Lots of Love Mo xxx[;)]xxx
Title: New resort.
Post by: Jeff on February 24, 2006, 20:47:03
Hi Mo
A resort in the Greek Islands would be good, however I can't see that ever happening because I am pretty sure that the Greek's have a law in place stopping anyone other than Greek nationals owning more than 49% of any timeshare company.

I agreE with Jay4Martin that Holland would be another decent place (but not near Amsterdam) as the fishing out there is pretty good.
Title: New resort.
Post by: mo mo on February 25, 2006, 00:30:41
Hi Jeff [:)]

Am smiling here now what kind of fishing would you be going to do in Amsterdam though there are a good few Cafe`s there which serve nice choccy cake which made help your bones [;)]

On a more serious note Yes Holland would be an ideal place for a resort specially for anyone disabled or for anyone else come to think of it as I just love the people they are so open warm and friendly.  I spent nearly 4 years on the Dutch border in a German town called Goch and used to go into Holland most weekends. I was real fit in those days so used to cycle 6miles to work as there were cycle paths everywhere and it was so easy as all was so flat I got real homesick as missed the mountains [:(]

Your right come to think of it there are very few timeshares in Greece didn`t know why till now though I suppose its their governments way of protecting their landscape.

Lots of Love Mo xxx

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Post by: Val on February 25, 2006, 20:57:13
One in Hollywood California that we could get exchanges into to visit our son more frequently and utilise the weeks we have banked
Title: New resort.
Post by: peeweeel on May 03, 2006, 22:24:05
All pipe dreams at the moment?  There's room for a small hut in my back garden but it's a bit close to Wychnor.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Jeff on May 04, 2006, 05:55:06
quote:
Originally posted by peeweeel

All pipe dreams at the moment?  There's room for a small hut in my back garden but it's a bit close to Wychnor.



Club La Costa at Wychnor seems an attractive option to me Phil [:D]
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on May 07, 2006, 16:05:02
In Europe I would like to see these resorts added to the present portfolio.[;)][;)]
 They have a reputation for being run far more professionally than the Sunterra portfolio is at present.


Andorra - Canillo
Club La Solana de Ransol
Austria - Salzburg
Club La Costa Alpine Centre
Ferienclub Eichenhof
 
 
France - French Riviera
Marina Baie des Anges

   
 
France - Languedoc-Rousillon
Malibu Village      
 
Great Britain - England  
Canaltime at Sawley Marina Devoncourt Hever Hotel  
Canaltime Houseboats at Bedford    
   
Great Britain - Scotland    
Duchally Country Estate  
     
Great Britain - Wales
Pantglas Owners Club  
     
Greece - Corfu    
Aqualand Village Hotel      
     
Greece - Crete    
Leoniki Residence Village Holiday Club  
 
Greece - Rhodes    
Sun Beach Holiday Club    
     
Italy - Rome    
Carpediem Roma Golf Club    
   
Malta - St Paul´s Bay    
Club Riza    
     
Portugal - Algarve    
Clube Praia da Oura Ourapraia Aparthotel  Vila Castelo  
     
Spain - Costa Blanca    
Oliva Beach Club  Parque Denia Club  
   
Spain - Costa del Sol    
Benal Beach Castillo del Rey Club Playa Vista Resorts
Las Farolas Crown Resorts at Calahonda Crown Resorts at Riviera del Sol
Marina del Rey Las Farolas Royale Marina del Mar
Marina Park Marina del Sol Marina Dorada
San Diego Suites at California Beach Resort Miraflores Pueblo Marina
Sunset Beach Club Santa Cruz Suites at California Beach Resort Sierra Marina
   
 
   
Spain - Balearic Islands - Ibiza  
Es Pueto Es Pueto at Aldea Bonsai
     
Spain - Balearic Islands - Majorca  
Aucanada Club Residencial Cala Pí Nou
     
Spain - Canary Islands - Gran Canaria  
Bahia Blanca    
 
Spain - Canary Islands - Tenerife    
Club La Costa at Monterey Club La Costa at Paradise Club Olympus
Sunningdale Village    
     
Turkey - Marmaris    
Loryma Resort Hotel

   
We would finally be able to put something in the topic
"Good News from Sunterra"


 

 

 

 
Title: New resort.
Post by: peeweeel on May 10, 2006, 21:19:44
quote:
Originally posted by Jeff

quote:
Originally posted by peeweeel

All pipe dreams at the moment?  There's room for a small hut in my back garden but it's a bit close to Wychnor.



Club La Costa at Wychnor seems an attractive option to me Phil [:D]



As long as I still get my 365 day use, I'm not too worried about who owns it!
Title: New resort.
Post by: on May 16, 2006, 21:57:32
Hello All.  
Not sure if this is under the correct topic.
  Sunterra Corporation have recently made an announcement about      acquiring new resorts.  See their website via :-
  http://tinyurl.com/mwhvx
DennisA
Title: New resort.
Post by: Jeff on May 16, 2006, 22:24:33
That's all well and good Dennis,but only if the Yanks don't decide to off load Sunterra Europe.

I also wonder why Beach Group principal John Gilliam will become president of the newly formed Sunterra Beach Group LLC, is this just another jobs for the boys aquisition?
Title: New resort.
Post by: cavendish on May 13, 2007, 20:50:57
S.omewhere in the Innsbruck area would suit me just fine, or South Africa or Hong Kong
Title: New resort.
Post by: daviday on May 13, 2007, 23:21:13
What about the Isle of Wight?  It's a magical place and has lost its only timeshare resort (Hazel Green/Wootten Creek).  Otherwise, what about the old Butlins place at Saltdean, Brighton?  I think it was called the Seaview Hotel, or something similar.
Title: New resort.
Post by: daveandmaureen on May 14, 2007, 19:06:43
New Resorts for Sunterra

I agree anywhere in Ireland would be nice.

Also any Greek Island, I do appreciate there is little timeshare accommodation in Greece but there is some as at one time I purchased a taster package from "Club Greece" who had Sun Beach on Rhodes and two or three Resorts on Crete. An arrangement similar to the very popular Akteon Tourist Village on Cyprus (which was I believe very popular) would be a good start.

Just my thoughts we'll probably end up with another Resort at Tenerife!!!

Cheers

Dave K
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Post by: Doggy50k on May 14, 2007, 19:14:14
Rhodes if anywhere... [:D]
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Post by: daveandmaureen on May 14, 2007, 20:57:25
Hi Doggy

Sun Beach Resort at Ixia (walking distance from Rhodes Town if you like walking or a fairly reasonable Taxi Fare, if I recall correctly Rhodes Taxis were some of the cheapest we have seen) is very nice indeed certainly on a par with Sunterra when we were there about 4 years ago.

It used to be available as an II exchange but it seems to have moved to RCI which is a pity. We would jump at the chance to go back to Sun Beach, part of a Greek Timeshare business called "Club Greece", fixed week rather than points based set up, it was a few years ago anyway.

Cheers

Dave K
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on May 15, 2007, 09:27:49
Hi Dave.
 I thought you would have gone for something at Whitley Bay [:D]

As Jeff pointed out earlier, I think currently there are ownership rules in Greece which mean that Diamond/Sunterra could only participate in a joint venture with Greek business. This would mean total transparency so it probably would not be considered. A shame really as Greece is easily accessible from the UK and certainly many places and islands, in my opinion, are a step up from mainland Spain re tourism where I find the Brit Bars and Tourist Restaurants to have become rather seedy in the last few years.
Title: New resort.
Post by: arkwright on July 07, 2007, 19:42:31
What about Minehead, Somerset. Call it Blueskies by Butlins. Perhaps offer vacation club membership for 30 years.
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Post by: on October 22, 2007, 18:34:49
got back from tenerife couple of weeks back and whilst there saw the rep and had a chat about things and were shown the new diamond portfolio folder and glass paperweight we will all get lol.she also said they were looking at a couple of places,one in ireland and one on a greek island as well as the other diamond resorts being available too.

take it with a pinch of salt i suppose
Title: New resort.
Post by: boiler on March 12, 2008, 15:45:17
There really are some timeshares in the places listed above (please note I said some), but unfortunately they are usually in some other company's folio, so depending on who you are with they may never extend to other regions
Title: New resort.
Post by: Rorytiger on July 01, 2009, 00:15:01
All we get are more affiliates and more any more resorts in the NW of England or CDS in Spain or South Tenerife and I will scream, even the affiliates in Ireland are grouped together - what we need is some more variety - Greece, Turkey, NW Scotland, Northumberland, Ibiza, Italian lakes (garda), Dordogne France, Even the Austrian and German resorts are pretty close together. Come on DRI lets get more none affiliated resorts on board and prove to members that you can expand our portfolio of resorts.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on July 01, 2009, 09:19:41
quote:
Originally posted by Rorytiger

All we get are more affiliates and more any more resorts in the NW of England or CDS in Spain or South Tenerife and I will scream, even the affiliates in Ireland are grouped together - what we need is some more variety - Greece, Turkey, NW Scotland, Northumberland, Ibiza, Italian lakes (garda), Dordogne France, Even the Austrian and German resorts are pretty close together. Come on DRI lets get more none affiliated resorts on board and prove to members that you can expand our portfolio of resorts.



Something wrong with Yorkshire then? [:D]
 Welcome to the forums.[:)]
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Post by: resilamram on July 01, 2009, 10:49:34
Tunisia
Cyprus
any Greek Island
the list is endless.....
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Post by: Rorytiger on July 01, 2009, 12:06:44
Mavo

Yes lets get one on the Yorkshire heritage coast I could pop in there and use the leisure facilities that would add value to my membership
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on July 01, 2009, 16:06:52
Yeah.
 At least the leisure facilities would be better than the three sheep tied to a lamp post that you get in Cumbria [:D][:D]
Title: New resort.
Post by: resilamram on July 01, 2009, 16:39:17
Good news about new resorts under AGM thread, shame they are affiliates though. The one in Crete is particularly good news!
Title: New resort.
Post by: WNelson on August 01, 2009, 09:26:21
Are affiliate resorts the way of the future with dri? Does anyone think they will ever purchase a resort outright again? I find this trend worrying as it just seems dri are "sub-contracting" out their responsibilities to the members and relying on other companies to provide the high standard of holiday that we expect. I am in no doubt that these affiliates are vetted closely before a deal is struck but this trend is still something I am not over happy with.
I have been looking at the points required for affiliates and think that they are very high in comparison to dri-owned resorts, also there is scant information available on the dri website for these places in comparison.
Are the majority of US resorts affiliated? If so is this a guide to the future of European resorts?
Title: New resort.
Post by: hercules on August 03, 2009, 00:17:04
Well Willie (Willie Nelson) I think you are correct affiliates is the way forward for DRI this is all well and good if they are well appointed and vetted and are of a higher standard than DRI resorts justifying their higher points tags, I have one real reservation and that is if they are in higher demand being higher quality and better appointed than our resorts then what chance have DRI members got of booking in just 10 months in advance. Yes I also agree it would be nice to see some new quality DRI owned resorts.
Title: New resort.
Post by: WNelson on August 03, 2009, 10:43:59
Sorry to disappoint you Hercules but my name is Walter , no relation to Willie!
Title: New resort.
Post by: hercules on August 03, 2009, 11:28:01
My apologies Walter it is just that I am a big Willie Nelson fan and I just wondered if your user name (handle) was one of a fellow fan, I am a big Steptoe and son fan and Elton John fan as well hence my handle hercules.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 14:58:43
quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Are affiliate resorts the way of the future with dri? Does anyone think they will ever purchase a resort outright again? I find this trend worrying as it just seems dri are "sub-contracting" out their responsibilities to the members and relying on other companies to provide the high standard of holiday that we expect. I am in no doubt that these affiliates are vetted closely before a deal is struck but this trend is still something I am not over happy with.
I have been looking at the points required for affiliates and think that they are very high in comparison to dri-owned resorts, also there is scant information available on the dri website for these places in comparison.
Are the majority of US resorts affiliated? If so is this a guide to the future of European resorts?



 Do we look at and discuss these affiliated resorts correctly?
 
Perhaps they are slightly dearer on our points but is this because the European ones seem to be Hapimag resorts. Hapimag are known for quality.
 Should we not expect that an affiliated resort would cost more anyway?
 Also what difference is there in an "exchange" into an affiliated resort than an exchange into an Interval International apartment, apart from the fact that the affiliated resort does not charge us directly but Interval International does?
 We can thus offset the extra points used against the £100 approx booking fee with Interval.
 Now we can perhaps discuss which is the better value Affiliated resorts or Interval International?
Title: New resort.
Post by: WNelson on August 05, 2009, 16:17:33
quote:
Originally posted by Mavo

quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Are affiliate resorts the way of the future with dri? Does anyone think they will ever purchase a resort outright again? I find this trend worrying as it just seems dri are "sub-contracting" out their responsibilities to the members and relying on other companies to provide the high standard of holiday that we expect. I am in no doubt that these affiliates are vetted closely before a deal is struck but this trend is still something I am not over happy with.
I have been looking at the points required for affiliates and think that they are very high in comparison to dri-owned resorts, also there is scant information available on the dri website for these places in comparison.
Are the majority of US resorts affiliated? If so is this a guide to the future of European resorts?



 Do we look at and discuss these affiliated resorts correctly?
 
Perhaps they are slightly dearer on our points but is this because the European ones seem to be Hapimag resorts. Hapimag are known for quality.
 Should we not expect that an affiliated resort would cost more anyway?
 Also what difference is there in an "exchange" into an affiliated resort than an exchange into an Interval International apartment, apart from the fact that the affiliated resort does not charge us directly but Interval International does?
 We can thus offset the extra points used against the £100 approx booking fee with Interval.
 Now we can perhaps discuss which is the better value Affiliated resorts or Interval International?




When you buy into a points-based timeshare you judge your level of points holding to what you want out of it over a given year i.e. you look at the points values for the kind of places available at the time of year you are likely to be holidaying and accept the blurb that the portfolio of resorts will increase at the same time as retaining the high level of quality.
When the reality becomes apparent that any new "acquisitions" are affiliated resorts with higher point values, then it tends to grate when you need to increase your points holding to take advantage of the new resorts.
Are we now to expect that as the portfolio grows so we need to buy extra points to enjoy them?
As to your view that the high points values are because they are Hapimag resorts then why did we not all buy into Hapimag in the first place?
I do not expect that affiliate resorts should cost more, like I said I joined at a level that I expected to be able to holiday annually without buying more points.
I have never done an exchange and don't intend to because I thought that DRI would cater for my needs without going elsewhere.
 I think we need to discuss whether affiliate resorts are the right way for DRI to progress or not and not blindly accept them as the right way forward in the first place.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 17:15:38
Firstly.
 We have not in the past had a guarantee of a high level of quality. Until DRI came along we had a lowering of quality for the same use of points.
 Secondly.
 I have said before. We do not know the finances involved in recovery and a return to better standards. We do not know how far above the former company standards DRI are prepared to raise the bar.
 We do not know if affiliations are a short term stop gap until better times.
 We asked for greater variety DRI have produced that variety.
 Was or is it the only way within the constraints of the finances? We do not know.
 The company is privately owned and so we do not have access to the figures.

 We have to remember that the current world wide recession has come about through sub prime lending and poor risk investments by lenders.
 Finance houses are not lending on many leisure projects at present, as there is a downturn in demand as well as a few burnt fingers. Any lending that is occuring is at high rates of interest commensurate with the risks seen to be involved.
 I agree that in a downturn it is a good time to buy and invest but you have to have the capital and the right opportunities in order to do so.

 Accepting the blurb and the sales patter you hope will be correct and truthful does not mean that guarantees are made or will be kept by any company or its successors. This is why we on here worked so hard to rid the members of the former company who so spectacularly failed to live up to their salesmens guarantees and promises.
 DRI are delivering for us. The fact that at present it cannot always be in the manner we would hope should not detract from the long way they have come with delivery in a relatively short space of time and during a recession the likes of which have not been seen before in our lifetimes.  
Title: New resort.
Post by: daviddwells on August 05, 2009, 17:26:46
Affiliate resorts are an excellent way for DRI to test the water for new areas. We don't want DRI purchasing units in a resort or area that is not going to prove popular with members, as it would probably result in a loss of income and a loss of profit when it had to be sold on. How else can DRI evaluate new locations?

I feel sorry for DRI in a way. They are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they don't increase the choice people moan, but if they do so using affiliated resort, people also moan.

I'm all for more choice, even if it is at a slight premium. I don't want to go to the same old places year in, year out. Let them find new places to go to and test to see if there is demand by the cheapest means possible and then they can decide to invest in the ones that members want.

David
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Post by: WNelson on August 05, 2009, 17:37:39
Whatever makes you think affiliated resorts are test-beds for future purchases?
I don't think you need to feel sorry for DRI, they know what they are doing, my question is are they going about it in a way that is going to  put extra cost on members many of whom are hard-pressed already?
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 18:03:13
quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Whatever makes you think affiliated resorts are test-beds for future purchases?
I don't think you need to feel sorry for DRI, they know what they are doing, my question is are they going about it in a way that is going to  put extra cost on members many of whom are hard-pressed already?



 Hi Walter
 Can I suggest that affiliations are not likely to put any great further financial strains on the membership as they will be a tit for tat operation giving both sides a greater variety. Acquisitions would come at a cost to us as the lending would probably have to be financed through current structures and as I said in my last post, at a high interest rate because of the current financial climate.
Title: New resort.
Post by: hercules on August 05, 2009, 18:38:28
To reply to Mavo's points

DRI claim that affiliated resorts points are reflected in their location, higher demand and higher quality I have never visited so cannot comment thus hense their higher value - anyone been for a week to Hawaii in Presidential 2 bed suite yet only around 44,000 points for the week?

Observation - I thought we were building DRI resorts to best in class!

If these Affiliated resorts are in such high demand how can we book them just 10 months in advance.  As affiliates have access to our DRI owned resorts will this put more strain on booking into these resorts especially for members with dirty second hand points?

My experience is that when you can book an II resort using points or on a late break it is equal quality and usually cheaper than booking a DRI or Affiliated resort (points alone)including the II fee (excluding latebeaks).
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 19:35:13
quote:
Originally posted by hercules

To reply to Mavo's points

DRI claim that affiliated resorts points are reflected in their location, higher demand and higher quality I have never visited so cannot comment thus hense their higher value - anyone been for a week to Hawaii in Presidential 2 bed suite yet only around 44,000 points for the week?

Observation - I thought we were building DRI resorts to best in class!

If these Affiliated resorts are in such high demand how can we book them just 10 months in advance.  As affiliates have access to our DRI owned resorts will this put more strain on booking into these resorts especially for members with dirty second hand points?

My experience is that when you can book an II resort using points or on a late break it is equal quality and usually cheaper than booking a DRI or Affiliated resort (points alone)including the II fee (excluding latebeaks).



 I think you will find that DRI have stated it is their hope to bring DRI standards to a level comparable to Hilton,Mariotts etc.
 That hope is probably being continually thwarted by members who spend most of their time complaining about rising fees yet still expect the revolution to take place on the cheap.

 My job on here is to try to open peoples eyes in order that they see the bigger picture from all sides not just their own.
 It is not what we want to be achieved it is what is achievable within the constraints of the current climate. We are not going to help if we (even a few) criticise every move that is not to the members liking.
  It is not good enough for us to say we do not agree with that policy or that decision. We have to think beyond as to possibly why that policy is put in place or possibly why that decision has been arrived at.
 The company does not make anti member decisions for the sake of it, I am sure, and decisions made are in the best interests of all in the long run.
We have to accept that company decisions affecting finances will not be discussed with the members (customers). That is the way of business.
 We have a right to be heard on forums but we have to be sensible and responsible enough to do so in a manner which does not inhibit the drive forward by the company.

 I have never used II so I have no idea as to its VFM. I know we can use our own resorts via II so quality must be comparable I would think.
 Does anybody know if our resorts booked via II are cheaper on points than booking direct and if so does the saving on points equate as good value when offset against the II booking fee?
Title: New resort.
Post by: Terrahawk on August 05, 2009, 19:42:19
quote:
Originally posted by Mavo

quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Whatever makes you think affiliated resorts are test-beds for future purchases?
I don't think you need to feel sorry for DRI, they know what they are doing, my question is are they going about it in a way that is going to  put extra cost on members many of whom are hard-pressed already?



 Hi Walter
 Can I suggest that affiliations are not likely to put any great further financial strains on the membership as they will be a tit for tat operation giving both sides a greater variety. Acquisitions would come at a cost to us as the lending would probably have to be financed through current structures and as I said in my last post, at a high interest rate because of the current financial climate.



Accquistions should be bought from the sale of further points, it's not up to us to finance them.
Otherwise what's happening to the income from sales?
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 20:00:46
quote:
Originally posted by Terrahawk

quote:
Originally posted by Mavo

quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Whatever makes you think affiliated resorts are test-beds for future purchases?
I don't think you need to feel sorry for DRI, they know what they are doing, my question is are they going about it in a way that is going to  put extra cost on members many of whom are hard-pressed already?



 Hi Walter
 Can I suggest that affiliations are not likely to put any great further financial strains on the membership as they will be a tit for tat operation giving both sides a greater variety. Acquisitions would come at a cost to us as the lending would probably have to be financed through current structures and as I said in my last post, at a high interest rate because of the current financial climate.



Accquistions should be bought from the sale of further points, it's not up to us to finance them.
Otherwise what's happening to the income from sales?



Further sales of points are being made more difficult by bad publicity being generated by a few disaffected which is why I ask people to think about the bigger picture.
 We do not know how well or badly sales of points are going but given the bad publicity of timeshare in general over the last few years then that may answer the question as to why DRI have not made any recent acquisitions of resorts. These are the things I am trying to get members to see as possibilities in the scenario.
 We are unlikely to get answers to these things directly from the company but we are capable of thinking of reasons why events take place or do not take place.
 We are not going to gain anything by blindly saying "I do not like this or that"
Title: New resort.
Post by: WNelson on August 05, 2009, 20:47:01
Mavo,I cannot accept the views you are putting forward here, blaming those who are dissatisfied for the lack of sales is extremely short-sighted.
As moderator you say it is your job to open people's eyes so that they see the bigger picture, is it? I'm not sure that is what a moderator does,with all due respect. How can members effect change if they do not state how they feel about things? You appear to be saying we have to accept everything DRI does and try and see good in it and not complain if we do not agree?
One would hope that if DRi management do peruse this forum that they would take some notice of the opinions of members and not just ignore it if they do not agree.
I am a great supporter of DRI and its type of holiday, I am not one of those who want out just because the fees have gone up but I reserve the right to express my opinion about policies that I do not totally agree with.I hope I am not included in the umbrella of "blindly saying I do not like this or that" as there a hell of a lot that I do like about DRI and intend to stay the course, but the flip-side is there are things I am not happy with and will continue to say as much.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 21:58:28
quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Mavo,I cannot accept the views you are putting forward here, blaming those who are dissatisfied for the lack of sales is extremely short-sighted.
As moderator you say it is your job to open people's eyes so that they see the bigger picture, is it? I'm not sure that is what a moderator does,with all due respect. How can members effect change if they do not state how they feel about things? You appear to be saying we have to accept everything DRI does and try and see good in it and not complain if we do not agree?
One would hope that if DRi management do peruse this forum that they would take some notice of the opinions of members and not just ignore it if they do not agree.
I am a great supporter of DRI and its type of holiday, I am not one of those who want out just because the fees have gone up but I reserve the right to express my opinion about policies that I do not totally agree with.I hope I am not included in the umbrella of "blindly saying I do not like this or that" as there a hell of a lot that I do like about DRI and intend to stay the course, but the flip-side is there are things I am not happy with and will continue to say as much.



Hi Walter
 I said sales of points are being made more difficult. I did not blame it all on the disaffected.
 Nor did I say my job as a moderator. I said my job on here meaning this thread.
 Let me make it perfectly clear.
 I will see my job as a moderator totally different to how you see it.
 Moderating does not exclude me from debate as an individual member though there are those who believe it should.
 I also do not believe that you or anyone else should blindly accept what DRI present to us.
 If you read what I say it is that there are company decisions which are made because they have the info and knowledge to make those decisions. We do not, so when "unpopular decisions" are made we have to first look for possible reasons rather than condemning them out of hand. I have put this forward in about 3 different ways in the last couple of days yet people will try to say that I have said something different to my words.
 Having been a buisiness man for many years I am able to look at things from an overall view which others seem to struggle with.
 The next thing that will no doubt be levelled at me is that I am a company man.
 It`s not new to me. I have had it all before.
 
  For readers in general.
 I do know how to moderate these particular forums. That is why I have been coaxed back. I am here to keep it in order. I do not expect to win friends and I am sure that there are and will be people out there with the sole intention of disruption. Childish of them I know but unfortunately a fact.
 People will try as before to twist my words and provoke. It is nothing new to me.
 At the moment I am just establishing the ground rules so at present I am trying to get people to understand that.

 A very recent question on this thread was.
 "what's happening to the income from sales?"

 Who was the question directed at?
 If it was me then the poster has not read what I have contributed on this thread and if it was to DRI the same applies, ie. they have not read my previous comments. Or alternatively it was designed to provoke which is a no no.
 At the moment I am just letting people know what is expected of them if they wish to play a positive and active part on the forums.
 We do know who is on here to try to help and we know who is on to hinder.

 Walter
 Thank you for your advice and no disrespect but with 4 years experience on here as a moderator. I prefer to do it my way.
 I can assure you that from previous experience, the only way forward is to stick within the guidelines.
Title: New resort.
Post by: daveandmaureen on August 05, 2009, 22:50:10
Returning to the subject of this thread which is "New Resort".

I would of course prefer all new availability to be in DRI owned Resorts where standards can be monitored and maintained. However I am a realist and appreciate that we can only have half a dozen new DRI owned Resorts if DRI have sold enough New Points (not second hand, dirty, handed back Points but brand new additional Points) to require the extra inventory that 6 new Resorts would bring.

I strongly suspect that DRI are finding it difficult to find people to purchase New Points or existing Points Owners who would like more Points. At present I feel sure new Points Sales are exceeded by those trying to cash in their Points by selling then or giving them to others, persuading DRI to accept them back for free or at worst just walking away and hoping a Court Summons does not land on the mat.

If overall the Total Number of Points in circulation, and in respect of which Points Members or DRI pay the MFs, has not increased then financially there can be no new inventory. Unless of course for example DRI disposed of say a Tenerife or a Costa del Sol Resort and replaced it with an equivalent amount of inventory in a new location.

At present I think the only way to get new destinations will by down the Affiliated Route where for example we let some Hapimag Owners use SBGOC (as an example) and in exchange we get access to new places like Costa Brava, Turkey and Crete. It isn't perfect but until sales of "NEW" Points take off it's the best we can hope for.

It has been suggestd that sales are adversely effected by anti-DRI comments on this and other Webs-sites. I feel this is true to some extent but the biggest downer to Additional Points Sales must be the sheer number of people who want to sell their Points for a pittance or are even prepared give them away thus writing off their initial expenditure of £,000s. When prospective Points buyers read such things on the "Net" during their 14 day cooling off period they must reach for the cancel option quite quickly.

I know it is proper to a diffrent thread but the restrictions which make "second class" all second hand/Dirty points I feel contributes to the total lack of a second-hand market for Points between Members. I do think that if DRI looked at that decision (the one reducing the benefits whic atach to second-hand points) again they may find they have shot themselves in the foot somewhat.

Cheers

Dave K
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 05, 2009, 23:08:33
Quote
Originally posted by daveandmaureen

Returning to the subject of this thread which is "New Resort".

 Hi Dave.
Firstly.
 Sarcasm is currently in a strictly short cooling off period.

 Secondly.
 May I humbly suggest that you stick to the 3.8 by volume type as your post did markedly deteriorate towards the end.

 Lastly
 The words and letters were all there  -- but not necessarily in the right order. -- I wish I had been the first one to say that.



 Retirement is not all beer and skittles.  



Title: New resort.
Post by: WNelson on August 06, 2009, 01:50:54
quote:
Originally posted by Mavo

quote:
Originally posted by WNelson

Mavo,I cannot accept the views you are putting forward here, blaming those who are dissatisfied for the lack of sales is extremely short-sighted.
As moderator you say it is your job to open people's eyes so that they see the bigger picture, is it? I'm not sure that is what a moderator does,with all due respect. How can members effect change if they do not state how they feel about things? You appear to be saying we have to accept everything DRI does and try and see good in it and not complain if we do not agree?
One would hope that if DRi management do peruse this forum that they would take some notice of the opinions of members and not just ignore it if they do not agree.
I am a great supporter of DRI and its type of holiday, I am not one of those who want out just because the fees have gone up but I reserve the right to express my opinion about policies that I do not totally agree with.I hope I am not included in the umbrella of "blindly saying I do not like this or that" as there a hell of a lot that I do like about DRI and intend to stay the course, but the flip-side is there are things I am not happy with and will continue to say as much.



Hi Walter
 I said sales of points are being made more difficult. I did not blame it all on the disaffected.
 Nor did I say my job as a moderator. I said my job on here meaning this thread.
 Let me make it perfectly clear.
 I will see my job as a moderator totally different to how you see it.
 Moderating does not exclude me from debate as an individual member though there are those who believe it should.
 I also do not believe that you or anyone else should blindly accept what DRI present to us.
 If you read what I say it is that there are company decisions which are made because they have the info and knowledge to make those decisions. We do not, so when "unpopular decisions" are made we have to first look for possible reasons rather than condemning them out of hand. I have put this forward in about 3 different ways in the last couple of days yet people will try to say that I have said something different to my words.
 Having been a buisiness man for many years I am able to look at things from an overall view which others seem to struggle with.
 The next thing that will no doubt be levelled at me is that I am a company man.
 It`s not new to me. I have had it all before.
 
  For readers in general.
 I do know how to moderate these particular forums. That is why I have been coaxed back. I am here to keep it in order. I do not expect to win friends and I am sure that there are and will be people out there with the sole intention of disruption. Childish of them I know but unfortunately a fact.
 People will try as before to twist my words and provoke. It is nothing new to me.
 At the moment I am just establishing the ground rules so at present I am trying to get people to understand that.

 A very recent question on this thread was.
 "what's happening to the income from sales?"

 Who was the question directed at?
 If it was me then the poster has not read what I have contributed on this thread and if it was to DRI the same applies, ie. they have not read my previous comments. Or alternatively it was designed to provoke which is a no no.
 At the moment I am just letting people know what is expected of them if they wish to play a positive and active part on the forums.
 We do know who is on here to try to help and we know who is on to hinder.

 Walter
 Thank you for your advice and no disrespect but with 4 years experience on here as a moderator. I prefer to do it my way.
 I can assure you that from previous experience, the only way forward is to stick within the guidelines.



Dear Mavo, I am not going to disagree further with what you have previously written,it is there for all to read and draw their own conclusions. Neither was I attempting to tell you how to moderate, I was merely asking the question.
When a moderator enters into a debate it is difficult to know which hat he is wearing at the time, this is one of the problems with internet forums unlike real forums where one can see the person speaking and can hear the intonation in the voice.
The reasons for companies decisions are not always readily apparent to those on the outside even if the observer has been in business themselves, as many of us have.
Accusations of being a company man , no doubt childish, serve no purpose and are normally made by those unable to further their argument.
Your ability to moderate is not inquestion by myself, although I have previously asked for a level of flexibility and understanding when interpreting some posts/posters in as much you recognise the spirit in which they may be posted, again I relate to the difference between internet forums and real face-to-face forums. Members should not feel that they would not want to post because of how the post could be misinterpreted.
What may be viewed as hindrance could be misinterpreted because of the lack of face-to-face debate and it would be a shame to lose active posters who contribute a great deal to a forum because of this. A forum without any posters or just a small handful with the same or similar views serves little or no purpose.
Just my opinion, of course. no criticism of you or anyone else intended.Just hope I have put it across clearly as it is late and I feel I may have been labouring the point somewhat. Goodnight.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 07, 2009, 11:58:53
I/we do not mind dropping a few people off. We seem to have managed perfectly well for the last few years without certain individuals.
 My work on this thread is now complete. It has allowed me to establish a who`s who and things are certainly a lot clearer. Once I know what to expct and from where it makes it a lot simpler for me to deal with [;)]

Just as an aside.
 People will have to recognise the hat I wear from time to time. I have to recognise which hats others are wearing too [:)] If you catch my drift.
Title: New resort.
Post by: Mavo on August 07, 2009, 17:06:35
A post has been removed as it was off topic. I accept that this thread is now off topic so I am locking it until we can have a discussion about it and decide what to do.
 It may be that once we have adjusted the membership we can open it up again.