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LAS VISTAS MARKETING (La Pinta Hotel) Tenerife - scammed Mother in law out of £14000

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Offline bigtone

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Hi everyone,

I am new on here this morning so bare with me.

My mother in law (pensioner) has 2 timeshares in La Pinta beach club, Tenerife. She has wanted to sell them for quite some time so went to the timeshare office of Las Vistas Marketing. The office is in the La Pinta building. She told the salesman (John Borrows) that she wanted to sell them. He told her that the only way she could sell them was to buy another one (!!!!!!!!!!). He said they could only sell them in blocks of 4 and that he had 1 to sell already. Her 2 made 3 and if she bought another that would make the 4. He also told her he would have them sold within 12 months. If he couldn't sell them he would buy them back from her. My wife (her daughter) deals with all the finances. Whilst going through her mothers paperwork yesterday, it transpires that my mother in law has signed a purchase agreement to pay £14500 (yes you read it correctly, fourteen thousand pounds!!) for a 1 bed, 1 floating week timeshare. She said she was told she wouldn't have to pay any money to them (las Vistas). But unbeknown to her she also signed a document that has given her a credit card account with Barclays plc that have paid the £14500 straight to Las Vistas.

To add insult to injury, the fineprint on the terms and conditions (which she has signed) states "I understand that La Pinta Beach club is under no obligation to buy back my apartment at any time or under any circumstances" A complete contradiction of what he told her.

The problem with my (churchgoing) mother in law is, she thinks that everyone who has a smile is honest. We have now had to explain to her that she has just bought a timeshare for £14500 on an interest rate of 19.6% when all she wanted to do is sell the two she already had. She is now heartbroken and says she has never had a bank loan in her life.

As far as I can see, she has been severely duped by this con artist and as she has not read the paperwork properly (instead of just taking his word for it) there doesn't seem to be a lot she can do.

Would appreciate it if anyone knows about similar dealings and if there is anything we an do.

Thanks, Tony.
 


Offline Willself

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All anyone can say for certain is..OUR  hearts go out to your Mother-in-law!!
Perhaps if you speak to the lends..on the basis that she was Mis-Sold..you might have a case, especially if other people have complained..Sorry!!
 

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quote:
Originally posted by Willself

All anyone can say for certain is..OUR  hearts go out to your Mother-in-law!!
Perhaps if you speak to the lends..on the basis that she was Mis-Sold..you might have a case, especially if other people have complained..Sorry!!



I agree Wilself
I have sent bigtone a PM asking them to contact TATOC 0161 237 3611.
 If anyone can sort this tragedy out it is the free helpline at TATOC

I am having a bit of trouble using the forums at the moment as they do not seem to be too stable and keep locking me out.
 I am away for a couple of weeks so perhaps it will have improved by the time I get back.
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could she complain to her credit card company?
Billyboy.
 

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My apologies. I was given false information about the salesmans name. It was not John Borrows but a man named David. I know this as John Borrows phoned me this morning. He is however the manager of Las Vistas Marketing and as I said to him, as manager it is his responsibility to ensure his staff are not in the habit of ripping people off. He also asked me whether I had children and when I replied yes he said I must be a paedophile. Nice man. He said I have no idea what I'm talking about and that he would re-sell my mother in laws timeshare and get back her £14,500. If thats the case, why did my mother in law need to buy it in the first place? Does he really think I or anyone else for that matter are really that stupid. Not only did my mother in law not want another time share, but she now at the grand old age of 66 has her first ever bank loan and is in bits.

You only have to "google" La Pinta timeshare for sale and you will find endless companies with them on their books. I even found a floating week, 1 bedroom timeshare at La Pinta on ebay. The sale had ended with no bids and the starting price was £450!!

My mother in law is not great at reading or writing and we have to help her with most things. As I stated before, she went into the Las Vistas office with the intention of getting rid of the 2 timeshares she has at La Pinta and they somehow talked her in to buying another for £14500. Las Vistas have promised they will sell all 3 within 12 months. If they are promising to get her money back on the one she has just purchased, does that mean she will be getting £43,500 for all 3? I very much doubt it. Not when people can't even give them away.
 

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John Borrows of Las Vistas Marketing was also phoned and emailed on Wednesday the 18th to discuss this. He has ignored both up until today where he phoned me being abusive because he has seen his name on this website.
 

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Mr John Borrows also stated a number of times that I had no idea what I was talking about. If thats the case and my wife and I are so naive, I invite the man on here (as he says he is a member of this website) to explain,

1. Why my mother in law had to buy a timeshare at a cost of £14500 when all she wanted to do was sell the ones she had

2. Explain where the paperwork is that states that Las Vistas Marketing guarantees to sell all 3 of hers within 12 months.

3. Explain where the paperwork is that states she will get back the £14500 she has been made to get a loan for which is the cost of the timeshare

4. Please share with the rest of the website his resources on being able to sell timeshares at this incredible price as there are no doubt plenty of people on here that would be only to willing to get these sort of prices for unwanted timeshares.

It further transpires that Mr Borrows spoke to my mother in law this morning and guaranteed to sell all 3 within 6 months.

Excuse me for being so stupid but if a man is capable of selling timeshares at this sort of price and within 6 months, why can he not just sell the 2 she wanted to sell? She doesn't even want anything for them. She just wants rid of them as she no longer wants to pay the £900 a year maintenance.

I sincerely hope that I am proved wrong and that this paper work comes to fruition. No explanation was given to me this morning as to why she has to buy to sell and why nothing has been put in writing that has been promised to her.

No doubt this post will be going on for some time and I will keep everyone updated. I am giving John Borrows the chance to prove me wrong. I have retracted the statement where I used his name as the salesman but as of this morning, he is now involved as he told both my mother in law and myself that these timeshares will be sold and she will not have to pay a penny.

I will be only too pleased to publicly apologise at a later date once my mother is rid of all 3 timeshares and is not a penny out of pocket. Although I think we all know where this is going.
 

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Yes mr Tony Wonfor . I am a nice man . I would like to congratulate you on not only twisting the facts around so that you can comment on a situation that you know very little about.
Just to confirm yes you did e-mail me on the 18th sent by your server at 16:57 ?  .This was 2 hours after you posted the above statement. As to me being abusive to you I seam to recall that it was you who was using abusive tones down the telephone not I .
You statement that you dont care about useing my name out of context and conning people ? That I am quite welcome to take you to court as you ( have a police record for violence)so you say ? .This I cant comment on as I do not know if you have or not. But to confirm yes you are welcome to come over to tenerife any time you like to see me face to face.
What I find amazing that you are advised by a member on this site to contact a company to give you advice when they themselves are supported by a company who this very site can never mention (banned/username) ????.
So Tony to quote a passage from your e-mail ( YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE WRONG PERSON TO SLANDER)
Yours Mr J Borrows
 

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If anyone is reading this topic then please click on or copy and paste the links below onto your browser. Once you have seen the prices that are being asked for timeshares at La Pinta, please explain to me how on earth someone could re-sell (and we all know resale values are owhere near the original) the timeshare at the £14500 promised.

http://www.aberfoyleholidays.com/lapinta.htm [nofollow]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TIMESHARE-ONE-WEEK-TENERIFE-LA-PINTA_W0QQitemZ120494458929QQcategoryZ123812QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D11%26ps%3D63 [nofollow]

The sale above only has 2 days left and no bids. Its a great buy if anyone is looking for a nice timeshare. The 4* Hotel is now a bit dated but the location is second to none. The services and facilities of the Hotel are very good too.

This site has around 20 at La Pinta timeshares for sale

http://www.travelandleisure.co.uk/rciresort.asp?id=2568&name=La%20Pinta%20Beach%20Club [nofollow]

http://www.sellmytimesharenow.com/timeshares/index/content/search_sell/Operation/5/SearchResortID/7893/ [nofollow]

 

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Well well, the very man himself. I have given you a chance to redeem yourself in the above post replies but is this all you can come up with?

As stated above, I admitted to being wrong with your name originally, but you are the manager and fully responsible for your staff's activities. You have now involved yourself by saying the same thing to me as well as my mother in law this morning.

By all means threaten me with "court". That is the very least of my worries. I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on though. Lets face it, I'm sure a judge would love to hear how your comapny has duped a church going pensioner out of £14500 when all she wanted to do was sell two timeshares. You can't even supply paperwork which says you guarantee the resale within 12 months and that she gets her money back. It was just a verbal promise. Any self respecting company would supply this. Once involved at court, I will gladly involve the National Press also. You know how they love to report on timeshare companies.

I will publicly admit that the abuse I gave you was "scum of the earth". God that must have really hurt! I'm sure you have never been called anything worst in your life. This I still stand by for taking my mother in law to the cleaners to the sum of £14500. Being called a paedophile however is not exactly endearing yourself as a manager of Las Vistas Marketing now is it?

Like I said, please answer my above questions and by all means redeem yourself and I will publicly apologise to you personally and Las Vistas Marketing.

We both know it won't happen and yes you have picked the wrong person to do it to. If this matter is not sorted and my mother in law doesn't receive her money back, I will make it my goal in life to see that every timeshare related website is notified about your activities. I may even start my own website with links. It shouldn't be difficult seeing as how its the industry in which I work.

Like I said, I am only too pleased for you to prove me wrong but if your above post is anything to go by, I don't think you have much chance.

All this talk of "slander" when I have publicly apologised for using your name by mistake is just a smoke screen to the rest of the members reading this post because you are trying to cover up whats really important here.
 

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I also don't see how I "twisted the facts". Please explain how I did this. I explained it exactly how it is.

To add insult to injury, we have further been going through the paper work and it seems although my mother in law paid the £500 management fee (as she does per the other 2 timeshares) it states she is unable to use the timeshare until 2011!!!
 

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By the way, the £14000 price tag was just for the time share. The management fee is on top of that as well as an admin fee of £1000!!! Bringing the grand total to around £16000!! I cant even imagine how many people on here have bought a timeshare for less than the price of the admin fee that Las Vistas Marketing have charged.
 

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quote:
Originally posted by Top Gun

Yes mr Tony Wonfor . I am a nice man . I would like to congratulate you on not only twisting the facts around so that you can comment on a situation that you know very little about.
Just to confirm yes you did e-mail me on the 18th sent by your server at 16:57 ?  .This was 2 hours after you posted the above statement. As to me being abusive to you I seam to recall that it was you who was using abusive tones down the telephone not I .
You statement that you dont care about useing my name out of context and conning people ? That I am quite welcome to take you to court as you ( have a police record for violence)so you say ? .This I cant comment on as I do not know if you have or not. But to confirm yes you are welcome to come over to tenerife any time you like to see me face to face.
What I find amazing that you are advised by a member on this site to contact a company to give you advice when they themselves are supported by a company who this very site can never mention (banned/username) ????.
So Tony to quote a passage from your e-mail ( YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE WRONG PERSON TO SLANDER)
Yours Mr J Borrows



If we might get back to the point of this thread...

What, Mr Borrows, would you propose to do about an old lady who tried to divest herself of 2 timeshares but ended up even deeper in debt?

I can fully understand the fact that "bigtone" is upset - someone has clearly conned this lady out of a significant sum of money.

In your position, you appear to be able to do something about it.

Are you going to?

It certainly sounds at the moment like your company should be making an appearance in "Shark Alley"...
"You know; the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."

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Well well well. I have searched the internet and come up with a couple of posts that were submitted on this website neary four years ago. Please take a look as it is a very similar story. Only the lucky person managed to get on this website and find out what they needed to know before getting out of the contract via the cooling off period. The Hotel is the same (La Pinta) and the company are International Hoilday Way Marketing. Strangely enough, if you go to ihwm.com, you enter the home page of Las Vistas Marketing.

Take a look,

http://www.timesharetalk.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1939

http://www.timesharetalk.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=868&SearchTerms=international+holidayway
 

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THE PLOT THICKENS

Having searched the infinite arcive known as the internet, I have found a few websites that have a company called International Holidayway Marketing on the Timeshare blacklist. Please take a look. The lists are in alphabetical order and are HUGE


http://www.ripoffreport.com/On-Line-Business/Timesharefsbo-com/timesharefsbo-com-complete-rip-5gd36.htm [nofollow]

http://investmentfraudrecoveryservices.com/TSI.html [nofollow]


http://www.timesharecouncil.eu/ [nofollow]

This is the google search page that apart from the 3 I have mentioned above, shows a company called specialistlawyers.com. Their search result has a headline of International Holidayway Marketing - suspected companies

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en-GB&q=international+holidayway+marketing&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq= [nofollow]

Las Vistas Marketing have a web address of ihwm.com/
Their email address is int.holidayway@terra.es [nofollow]

I am now doing everything I can to link the two companies to make sure that no other people are "taken for a ride"

 

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COME ON MR JOHN BORROWS, MANAGER OF LAS VISTAS MARKETING (La Pinta Hotel) Tenerife.

You have gone very quiet all of a sudden. You're not answering this topic and any of my emails. As I said in one of them, be a man for once in your life and step up to the mark. Is my mother in law going to get her 16,000 euros back that your company conned her out of?
 

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Well it seems that John Borrows, manager of Las Vistas Marketing (and Top Gun member of this forum) has decided to go quiet and crawl back under the little stone from which he came.

After doing some digging around, I obtained a company report on Las Vistas Marketing S.L. and it was quite interesting.

The names mentioned on the company register were,

CALLENS MARIE CHRISTINE GEORGETTE
VAN THUYNE RUDY RAPHAEL NOEL
LORENZO VELAZQUEZ MARTA ISABEL
KIM DAWN MALECKI

I was particularly interested in the last name as not only has this name popped up on Shark Alley before (involved with another company namely International Holidayway Marketing which I believe may have been renamed as Las Vistas in 2007) but also on other websites concerning timeshare scams.
http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/consumer-complaints/8180-european-coast-sun-holiday-scam.html [nofollow]

We are trying to convince my mother in law to see a solicitor about being mis-sold the time share by salesman David at Las Vistas and the Office of Fair Trading have also asked for a statement concerning the sale. Unfortunately, had she been sensible enough to show us the paperwork on her return from Tenerife, we could have instructed her to immediately cancel the sale and stop these con artists from getting their dirty little fingers on another poor unsuspecting persons money.

The company report shows a turnover of over 1 million euros and a net profit/loss of just 4 thousand euros. Interesting as they have probably just made more than that out of duping my mother in law.

This company are the lowest of the low. They have taken a pensioner for 16,000 euros when all she did was put her trust in them to re-sell the timeshares she can no longer afford to keep. Not only that, but she also has a yearly maintenance bill of nearly 1500 euros for all three. Something she will have to pay continuously until she manages to get rid of them. She has vowed never to return to Tenerife now that this has caused her so much stress.

All I can suggest to all you hardworking people out there is be very careful about parting with your hard earned money when dealing with companies that have the above names on them. Certain names appear to pop up when "Googled" and it always seems to have the heading "timeshare scam" or "Fraud".

Also, be very careful of the advice that you are given on this website. There are obviously sharks on here preying on innocent people. John Borrows was quick enough to point out to me that he was a member of this site and that he had "GIVEN ADVICE" to others on here many times. You can go back through his posts and it seems he is quite willing to give address details and phone numbers of other suspected companies (in Tenerife funnily enough!). Could this be a way of ousting other dodgy dealers to carve a clear path for the company he manages? He is obviously not that intelligent or else he would have stayed quiet on here. 1 good thing has come out of this though. With nearly 300 viewings on this post so far, John Borrows and Las Vistas Marketing have had their cards quite clearly marked. I prey that enough people are sensible enough to view websites like these before they go and make their decisions. It may help to put scum like this out of business.

Also, when posting topics or replies on forums, get as much information on there as possible. Remembering to put words like "scammed" "conned" or "fraud" (if this is applicable) as these will all pop up when people are "Googling" to find out information on companies or people. This all helps when trying to fight this ever increasing "disease"

AS far as John Borrows is concerned, as I said in my email to him, I sincerely hope that 1 day our paths will cross.

Take care all you HONEST hard working people out there and please let this be a lesson!!
 

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Now then bigtone

Yes we do get sharks on here - many times they come on to gush praise upon X, Y or Z company - usually companies we have outed on the forums.

We find them out and show them up for the fools they are.

As for "top gun" or whatever they choose to call themselves, they have now given their identity away.

This thread is in shark alley, and they have been challenged to make a difference and do something about what their company has done to your mother in law.  People will judge them on their actions.

As for having a "general pop" about advice given on this site - this site is run by timeshare owners for timeshare owners.  We highlight the good and the bad and we out the sharks where we find them.  We are in the vast majority just joe public, the same as anyone who can join the site.  We try to give advice to help others learn by our mistakes.

If Top Gun fails to do something for your mother-in-law, I will gladly change the name of this thread to give him as much bad publicity as we can.

"You know; the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering."

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Thanks for that Doggy50k. Please don't take that the wrong way. I wasn't having a general pop. I was just saying be careful who you take advice from. This guy comes on here and supposedly gives "advice" and yet he manages a company that swindles people out of thousands of pounds. We all know my mother in law isn't going to get a penny back. I'm sure this is an excellent website and there are thousands of people who have given sound and honest advice. Unfortunately, as with almost everything in life, there are bad apples in every barrel. My mother in law just happened to pick the barrel with the baddest apple in it. Its a shame that there are such scum in this life that prey on innocent decent folk. I do feel though that people like this get their come uppance at some time in there life. I wouldn't want to be living in the sun and always looking over my shoulder knowing I have upset people the whole of my life.
The good things in life are there for the taking the honest way if you work hard for them. I am testament to that. I left home at 18, slept rough and turned to a life of crime. Something in me knew I was better than that and I picked myself out of the gutter. I now have 3 children,run my own business, have a half million pound house, and own property in the South West of France. I also know I have got there by hard work and determination and will never have to look over my shoulder. Just enjoy life. I would give it all up tomorrow though to get my hands on the people that have done this.

Keep up the good work guys and girls and look after your money!
 

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I have just read the saga with your mother in law. I hate to say it but we have been taken in by this as well. We were persuaded to buy 2 more weeks as they could only sell 1 of our original weeks with theirs It cost us 24,000. No cooling off period-the salesman was obviously very good They would be sold within 12 months. That time is now up, and speaking to John Borrows last Monday he says that he has never agreed to buy anything back. The oroginal salesman was David Pickford-he apparently left in Feb this year. Have you managed to get anywhere with this awful situation?
 

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